Evidence For Christianity

...actually I think Christians have a hard time defending their faith because they realize these arguments sound exactly like what they are: baseless, unproveable blabbering of crackpot theorists. Only the very uneducated use these arguments in religious debate.

actually I believe SSkaggs and many like this person have a hard time defending his/her position.......you attack Christians and their belief with virulent name calling yet offer nothing in the way of proof to the contrary...........what exactly are you bringing to the debate.......if your belief is to 'not believe' in God/Jesus Christ so be it...to ridicule others because they choose to live their lives in accordance to spiritual guidance doesn't bother me....obviously the mere mention of it seems to bother your conscience......

The Coffers have been looted by it's own Politicians, Bankers & Corporate Elite, record unemployment, U.S. is Now a nation of Torture, Record debt in the Trillions of $$$, Voting Fraud, Involvement in Numerous Wars, US Currency near Worthless, Foreign nations buying up US property, 27 Pharmaceutical drugs found in Drinking water, Forced Mercury laden vaccinations, Record high Cancer rates, Heart disease & Diabetes, unaffordable Healthcare, Jobs out sourced overseas, Jack-boot-brutal Law Enforcement, Corporate Elite Corruption, just to name a few tiny problems,.... Now, can you Tell me again how the nature of Secular Mankind has changed (Advanced) in 2000 Years?,... All, is Vanity.

This is interesting but all the evidence you give is in fact based on the bible, yet the stories of the bible cannot be proven as factual. I’m not saying at a supreme being does not exist, it very well may, but I believe the bible and religion to be the creation of man. I have a blog where we are debating this very thing, as well as the issues of right-winged Christian influence in government policy. Please join in on our discussion; we’d love to debate this with you. http://bloggingwithmsdaisy.blogspot.com/2009/04/religion-debate.html

There's a show on Sci-Fi called Ghost Hunters that does a better job proving Ghosts exist, but if you go and tell someone you saw a Ghost they probably wouldn't believe you.

Seriously, the bible is so ridiculous, it does not even deserve the effort of debating:

- The bible claims the earth is 4000 years old, but in reality it is 5.5 billion years old
- The bible said god created the universe in 7 days, but in reality the universe is 13 billion years old as proven by the laws of physics
- The bible claims that Adam and Eve were the first two humans on the planet, but science proves life evolved in the Sahara 100,000 years ago.
- The bible claims all people were created equal - what about people born retarded or better looking?
- The bible uses fear to coerce me into believing
- The church persecuted scientists in the 1500's like Capernicus and Galileo for figuring our how the solar system REALLY works.

Response (1 of 2)
In response to the previous post. The person may not realize it but evolution is a religion. It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does Christianity. Evolutionist believe they came from rocks. After billions of years of rain on rocks it created a pre-biotic soup that eventually lead to man...by accident and against incredible odds.
1) What proof do evolutionist have that the earth is billions of years old? Carbon dating? Look into this method of aging and it is serious flawed. How can you have all different ages from the same mammoth?
2) Earth is aging incredibly fast, about 100 years ago scientists said the earth was 10,000 years old and since then it has kept climbing over the years until the current age of 5 billion. I’m glad to hear they have the age down so pat.
3) The Big Bang Theory is a dud. Billions of years ago a tiny spinning dot exploded. When things explode fragments fly away from the explosion in a spread. Why do we then have clusters of galaxies? Matter should have been spread away from each other, further from the center the farther each piece should go away from each other.
4) If this spinning dot exploded, why do we have galaxies spinning in different directions? What happened to the “Conservation of Angular momentum”?
5) Even more curious, why in our own galaxy do we have moons on other planets spinning in two different directions?
6) Why is that we only see stars die and not being birthed? Perhaps because of Boyle’s Law? The heat generated from gases coming together pushes them back apart, what is the sun made out of?
7) The earth is slowing down, hence leap seconds and years. Just how fast was the earth going billions of years ago? This explains why the dinosaurs were so big, if they weren’t they would have spun off the earth into space!
8) The moon is moving away from the earth every year. (Weaker magnetic field) Just how close was the moon to the earth billions of years ago? I know what happened to the dinosaurs, they got mooned to death! (Look into the inverse square law in association to the distance of the moon in relation to the earth.) Look out, sunami!
9) Life couldn’t exist without some key factors: ability to assimilate food, excrete waste, find food, replicate and have an environment that is inhabitable. Creation answers these problems within 6 days. Evolution on the other hand expects billions of years. So how long did the eye go without the eyelid?

10) Genetic research is now supporting a literal Adam and Eve. If you think about it, both sides should agree to this since life had to start somewhere!
11) If people been around for millions of years, uhhh, where’s all the people. In a few thousand years we grew the population to 6 billion. If you reverse the growth rate it surprisingly takes us back about 4,500 years. What a coincidence, that is about the time of Noah’s flood!
12) Scientists proof for ancient man is bone fragments. Look into the bones belonging to Lucy. The forensic artists are amazing! From a few bones they drew ape-like man walking bipedal. From those bones they knew the creature had hair all over and had a split toe though no foot bones were found. Hmmmmm
13) Equality, I believe that is a misguided question. The Bible said sin corrupted the original creation. That is like buying a wrecked Honda and complaining to Honda why they made such a lousy product. The original was just fine.
14) True Christianity is not about force, you should read the Bible for yourself and discover the truth for yourself. Remember, Christianity is made up of people with problems like everyone else. People will and have screwed up in the name of Christianity. Christianity is about sharing the truth and let each person accept or reject God. God allows free will so, it is your choice.
15) The church persecuting scientists relates to the comment above. However, it is a two-way street. The Bible said the earth was round (in the book of Job) and it took science thousands of years to realize this fact. (Remember, the world used to be flat and believed by the MAJORITY of the science community.)
16) The Bible also taught that if you touch a dead person that you needed to wash. Again, thousands of years later an Italian doctor wondered why the mortality rate of mother and child was so bad. He had his doctors start washing hands between looking at dead people and birthing babies. Miraculously the survival rate jumped! But, the scientists persecuted this man and he eventually lost his job.
17) Lately, scientists have been excited about water in space but guess what, the Bible said there was water in space thousands of years earlier!
18) Why is the Bible used so heavily for archeological digs, because it has been right. The Bible hasn’t been wrong yet, perhaps it is also right about everyone needing a savior.

You are not actually supposed to believe that the world was built in seven days and Adam and Eve and all that crap. These are PARABLES. No sane Christian believes them. Parables are made up stories to make a point, like many nursery stories. They teach you morals. Go try and tell someone who lived 2000 years ago that the world was created in some big explosion and that we used to be monkeys and they will just laugh at you.

You can't use a bible to support your theories, because the bible is not fact. The Bible is a book.

To the person above, you can use the Bible just as much as you can use Darwin's origin of species. People use books to support their beliefs all the time, it just depends on the reliability of the book to determine whether your faith is valid.

If you're wondering how reliable the Bible actually is you should read the article posted in #3
http://www.xenos.org/classes/papers/doubt.htm

It makes some excellent points.
I have been doing research of my own to find out what I believe and why, this article really helped.

There is only one truth and I hope you all find it.

Atheists dont even have an argument to why God doesnt exist. They just bash christians for their explanations for GOD'S existence, which is bs. Science just explains the way God operates in this physical world. What do u ppl not understand about that. Like u atheists really believe that existence can come from nonexistence? A brownie wont appear in my hand because it just happens to, i have to make it first. So how can something so complex as existence just occur on its own? That makes absoutely zero sense. Im not here to argue the numerical accuracy of the bible or science. The fact is Jesus is the Son who paid the price for our wickidness, the holy spirit is who is always with us helping us stay in His light, and the Father is looking down on us with unimaginable love, we are so lucky to have such a merciful God. We are all spiritual beings put here for an experience. I hope u all find Jesus and accept him as the way. He is all we have. God bless!

With regards to the young earth/old earth argument: A movie came out where I live, and tho it involved a fictional story, it raised the point of the two views (young and old) both being true. It dealt with time dilation due to gravity, space, and a other physics related things I don't completely understand. Essentially, in the here and now, our observations reveal the world to be around 15 billion years old, but from the vantage point of light (which God could obviously see the world from) it may have taken only 6 days for everything to play out. Thus, when he spoke to Moses and Moses wrote down the world was made in 6 days (and of course the possibility that 'day' is not to be taken as a 24 hr period exists), that is how it appeared from the vantage point of light, but our observations here make it longer.

Joe-Anna, sorry to break this to you, but if you are a true Christian, bible believing Christian you will believe the 6 day creation. When Jesus used a parable, He didnt use any names, for example "there was a man/woman" etc. If you do your own research, you will see the evidence points to a young earth. Rained33 posted a very good comment. Don't just say what other people say, do your own research, dig a bit and you will see the truth. The evolutionists dont have any evidence, they think they may have because they look through the evolution glasses.Look at their proof, analize it, how many missing links have been found to be false? ALL OF THEM!! why dont we have any missing links? (we dont only need 1 for humans, we need million of missing links for every species on earth). We cant find any becuase there arn't any.

Raidan33 is completely correct. I'm so glad that some people can understand and argue correctly about the Biblical history.

raidan33, there are a lot oh holes in your "facts". Let me start by saying that I don't believe in evolution, I really don't believe in anything. But about when the universe exploded and there are clusters of galaxies, who said there is a certain way things have to explode? And as for the moons it's most likely moons were fragments moving through the universe and were caught by the planet's gravity. As for the eyelids argument, wow, just wow... The reason there aren't billions of people, if you ever studied European history you would know about the disease and hardships before modern medicine. The black death took out 2/3 of the population of Europe. 4,500 years ago I cant even imagine the disease.
I really don't know where we came from, but I'm not expecting pearl gates when I die, nor am I expecting a burning inferno. Remember what it was like before you were born? That's what death will be like. So I know Christians wont be disappointed, because you'll be dead and wont realize you're disappointed.

If there's anything I know for sure, it's that God is love. If you read the Bible, you will find truth. I think the reason why many of God's children have chosen to shun Him is because they do not know Him, and have not yet been willing to answer his call, they remain ignorant. Read the Bible, pray for yourself, and perhaps you'll find what you have been yearning for all your life: love.

Relegion is something humans came up with to give themselves hope in times of trouble, to keep them sane.

Personally im an atheist and don't believe in religion cause i think its weird. But I have many religious friends and i don't care in what they believe its there opinion and there in tilted in there opinion and if it makes them happy to believe in Christianity then who cares it doesn't mean there a bad person because of it.

Raidan 33, that was a very informative comment full of valid points and research, but there are a few things I have a problem with.

1)As technology improves, scientists are developing more accurate models, in their opinion, to calculate the age of the Earth. 100 years ago almost every scientific measurement was relatively inaccurate and full of holes.

2)Your Big Bang argument assumes that it was a controlled explosion, but it was unpredictable and it is impossible to determine how spread out galaxies and particles would be. There are many other theories against the Big Bang, such as the Horizon theory, but I think your argument was not the best.

3) Population growth generally follows an exponential model, this is true when analyzing even bacteria, therefore the growth of the human population would not gradually increase, but it would explode as we gain new technology and immunities.

Other than that, great comment, I find this argument very interesting.

I think that the Bible is INCREDIBLY hard to prove factually, and basically won't be done ever. However, although science may prove that evolution may be true or whatnot, I won't believe it ever. I know that God exists and that he loves me and I love Him! You can't tell it with facts, but you can't argue with the truth of a testimony. Btw, I am 13 and saying this, soooo, yeah. God isn't just for old people who some might see as crazy.

Personally, I don't think that someone can really be convinced with the Gospel unless God shows himself to them, you can't do it factually, except for on rare occasions. But I do support everything said in this blog thing. I love God with all my heart, and you can't argue with that, and it's not just a kind of religous sort of allegiance to God or something, and it's not based solely off of stuff like "oh, you did this wrong, repent or burn forever," He loves us, but as we get to know Him more, we end up wanting to be more like Him (like how most of the people we hang out with make impacts on us) and we WANT to follow the commandments He gives, and even when we mess up, He forgives, which is the best part. By the way, I'm 14 and saying this, and I'm quite sane, soooooo yeah. : )

faith is unprovable ..You can only demonstrate your faith....you can never prove what is beyond this world if anything...itcomes down to faith...that is the truth and the only truth....proving whether a man was named Jesus existed is not proving anything in relation to afterlife. All I am saying here is it comes down to faith.....FACT

People get mad a Christians because Christians say that "Their religion is the true religion." However, if you look at all the religions (atheism included), they are all contradictory so that means either only one is right and the others are wrong, or they are all wrong. So SOMEONE is wrong, and whose to say that Christian cannot defend their own beliefs?

Anyways, you can't fight a person into heaven. That doesn't work. God has to lead the way and open up their heart. All those commenting that Christianity is a crack, that's because their hearts are closed. Only God can open them.

Everyone on here makes some very interesting points, but in the end I have to agree with Cameron. There is more to life and love then evolution can answer. I truly believe that you have to invite the truth (Jesus Christ) into your heart. Confusing and troublsome issues will not play as big of a role when you see the mercy and love of an awsome God in day-to-day life. Raidan 33, thank you for the intelligent perspective of our side of the argument. Christianity could use as much scientifically cohesive evidence as possible.

"#1) The world around us reveals that God DOES exist."
Complexity in nature is NOT an argument for a creator. Because if the universe HAD to be created, the question becomes, "Well, who created God?" And if you answer with "God is infinite and doesn't need to be created," then the same can be said of the universe.

"#2) The historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth."
That doesn't mean he was the son of God. Lots of people claim to be prophets and deities reincarnated, but see, in the modern world we call that MENTAL ILLNESS.

"#3) There is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead."
So did Rasputin and Aleister Crowley. But no one worships them.

"#4) All of these things about Jesus were prophetically foretold by God in the Bible with specificity."
Lots of things have been prophecied. People have dreams about the future ALL the time. Just look at how many people had dreams about 9/11 before it happened. That doesn't make them holy or worthy of worship.

"#5) There is massive evidence that Jesus is doing miracles in our day."
What, like allowing children in Somalia to starve to death and allowing children to get cancer?

"#6) There are thousands of stories of Jesus appearing to people all over the globe."
People have also witnessed and interacted with gods from Hinduism (Ganesha, Shiva, Krishna) and gods from Egyptian mythology (Set, Osiris, Isis, Ra) and even Roman and Greek gods (Gaia, Zeus, etc.) Personal experience is not a valid argument as long as they all contradict each other. In modern days, we call that a hallucination.

"#7) Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass right in front of our eyes."
All Revelation really "prophecied" was stuff that happens ALL the time: wars, famines, diseases, earthquakes, etc. So every time a natural diaster occurs, you think it's the end of the world. But it's really just business as usual.

"#8) Credible witnesses have seen the afterlife and have come back and reported to us that it is precisely as the Bible describes."
I love how you failed to mention that NOT EVERY near death experience involves a heaven-like place. People have also returned from the dead and described other after lives, and many people remember living lives in the past (reincarnation, anyone?).

You're only pointing out "evidence" that supports you, instead of giving the full story.
Try harder next time.

whatever religion is right or it might be that theyr all wrong but God exists for sure. look around his signs are there everywhere.
one more thing evolution theory is not a fact and it has thousands of flaws. try be open minded and also read them sometimes.

@ Peter Griffin:
evolution IS a fact. It has been proven to occur countless times, from brief periods of time like a few years to across millions of years. The THEORY you're referring to is Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection, which is one attempt to explain how evolution works. There are many other explanations for evolution, all of which have pros and cons, but we do know for sure that evolution in and of itself DOES exist and IS a fact. There is no debating that.

EVOLUTION IS NOT A THEORY, IT IS A SOLID FACT.
You guys have fallen for the common misconception.
Evolution IS real and is still occurring to this day. There is no debating that.
The theory you're all referring to is Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection, which is ONE attempt to explain how evolution works. There have been many others, each with its own flaws.
But just because the theory may not be consistent, doesnt mean the phenomenon in and of itself is false.

Whether or not to believe in God or the Christian God is going to get down to faith and hope.  Likewise the decision not to believe in a God.  The proofs that the author of this post presents are common christian apologetics.  They are rationalizations in support of faith.  If you take the position that faith and hope are good things, then there is nothing wrong with this approach to argument.  However, I think there is something deeply wrong, though not intentionally wrong, in claiming that a set of rationalizations prove a point of view.  It is dangerous and wrong for people to be taught that testimonials about testimonials about interpretations of yet other ancient testimonials are fact.  This kind of reasoning can only be sustained through emotional manipulation ... Fear of the loss of love, fear of rejection by God, fear of hell, fear being the bottom line justification and not reason.  

Atheists tends to do the same thing.  They point to rational reasons to reject a particular faith based world view and claim these rationalizations are proof that there is no God.  Both sides allow their arguments to degenerate into name calling and insulting remarks: one side claiming the other is stupid, one side claiming the other is spiritually dead  and evil.

 Not many realize that until the period of the enlightenment, thinking for one's self was dangerous and uncommon.  People were not free to reason through issues on their own, to experiment, to discover, and to share what they learn.  Kings and priests ruled, and there was not room for change and growth.  Many many long fought battles have taken place in the name of reason, and we are all benefactors whether  athiest or christian or something else. We must recognize what life was like without scientific reason, and we must recognize what is the difference between scientific reasoning and rationalizations for forgone conclusions.  If a person claims christianity or whatever position is the only correct position, then the burden is on them to prove it.  Instead, they toss out repeatedly the same old tired testimonials and rationalizations and then claim they have provided proof.  Worse, they resort to ancient tactics ... They attack the credibility of those who point out that they have not proven their case.  When people feel right though far from being right, it is seriously dangerous and tragic.  

If the point is really love, then show love. If the point is to persuade through scientific reasoning then start answering the many very real and very fair questions people ask.  Show that you have some clue what science is, and stop endlessly repeating the same old discredited arguments.  Stop imagining those who oppose or question you to be evil and yourself to be good.

everyones a critic -_-

Confirmation bias. Learn about it, and try harder to combat it in your approach to belief. Your entire post smacks of it, from NDE's to miracles and apparitions, to a rejection of evolution and appeals to complexity, to faulty exegesis.

The reason science regularly comes into conflict with religion is that scientific methodology actively avoids all forms of bias, through it's approach, it's tools and it's language; faith-based methodologies do the exact opposite.

FBM's approach is one of pre-suppositions, it's tool is divine revelation (either via ancient scripture or charismatic authority), and it's language is one of black-and-white certainty.

SBM approaches questions with the null hypothesis, it uses an array of tools and technology to extract and analyse data, and it's language is one of caution, uncertainty and significance.

It's hard to imagine how anyone on this planet can claim such outlandish theories about the afterlife... when no one has ever truly died (Hence you couldn't come back and tell about it). FACE IT PEOPLE ... NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW WHAT HAS REALLY HAPPENED.

On one hand, there is science. Yes, they start with facts and put them together to create theories. Yes, there are holes and most scientists cannot fully explain how every living thing has come into existence.

On the other hand, we have theist who insist that they are correct too. With a (man made) bible in one hand and faith in the other they claim heaven and hell, JC, Allah, etc. But who is REALLY right? They surely cannot be all correct ...

It all boils that to this very very ... simple fact, that nobody knows what really happened. And perhaps no one will ever know. I'm going to live this life to the fullest and I'm actually excited when my day comes. If it's blackness and nothingness that ensues, so be it. If I'm suddenly there at the pearly gates of heaven or what not. I'll have my arguments ready of how I lived a life of good and kindness and that I shouldn't be punished. If I'm reincarnated, even more awesome.

One analogy that Atheist & Theist can wrap their head around is this ... If a random leaf in a random forest were to fall from a tree branch to the floor and left to rot for 1000 years and no one was there to witness it, no matter how much faith or scientific theories we can come up with after the fact, will we ever REALLY know if/how/when it happened? We can always infer from the facts given and just like we humans debate the existence of god in modern times, but this moment in time will be lost forever. It ... would be anyones best guess.

In conclusion, you people that debate existence of God or even try to push your agendas on others are a huge waste of life. Go make society better with services or goods you can provide. Go do something productive. You all are debating on lost facts that can never be discovered. Let people believe what they want as long as they don't impede on others.

That's all I gotta say. Lets help humanity grow and mature and do what nature has intended for us to do, which is to procreate and ensure the survival of the human race.

a lot of questions that arise from non believers is how could the world be built in seven days? God says in the bible that years to us is but like a day to him, the time that passes to those who are limited by time is short, but when you are outside of time itself what is a day and what is a year? when God says he built the world in seven days, what was a "day" to him? however maybe he literally meant 7 of our days, i wouldn't put it beyond God to do such a thing, who am i to say what God can and cannot do?
another i saw is "God says all men are created equal, what about the mental/physically ill?" - i think God didn't mean just physically equal but spiritually, when we re first born we are clean slates, equally formed to choose our life with the free will he gave us. ive seen mentally/physically ill people accomplish more that most "average" people. saying they are not equal because of a medical condition focuses way to much on the physical, our momentary shell, and not our core our soul.
proof of God is everywhere, science proves it, history proves it, things the bible predicted hundreds of years ago are happening today. most historians believe there was a Jesus, some say he was just a teacher, others say hes Gods son, and others say he was a just a wise man. one thing most agree on is he existed and he helped and taught people. people acknowledge that Jesus existed and that he was a good man, they disagree on if he was Gods son, or just a wise man, however we know that he claimed to be Gods son and thats why he was crucified. so either Jesus, the wise man that claimed he was Gods son was a liar, a crazy person, or he really was Gods son like he claimed. look at the facts before you deny him. i know he is real. ive prayed to him and asked him to help me, sometimes he says no and its only years later i understand why, sometimes i dont understand. but sometimes he says yes, in my darkest moments i called to him and he answered.

So much information. I really like this page! Thank you to those who have submitted such great Arguments, Jessica, Raidan33, and others. I haven't read them all but plan to come back. I am a Christian that is weak in my Faith. But I still believe and pray that I stay on course. This information here has been great. Thank you! Love to all.

Ok first this page is fantastic and a real key factor in becoming grounded in your faith as a christian. The big key thing people that are blogging on this, meaning the skeptics and im not saying that im ridiculing you by any means, but the christianity is not just a religion.. and we need to stop looking at it as a religion it is having a relationship with Jesus Christ. Who died for our sins and transgressions and on the 3rd day was raised to life. Now you cant prove that wrong. Excpecially when atheistic scientiests have already proven that Jesus Christ actually walked this earth. The point im getting at here is that Jesus Love YOU! meaning whoever is reading this post Jesus Christ loves you so much. You are reading this right now cause He wants you to know that He loves you no matter what. He just wants to have a relationship with you. God bless you if you have any questions at all please feel free to message me at norton439@morrisville.edu God is a good God! and He does care!

Is there a possibility that we could combine religion and evolution. I mean, we could think that natural selection was God's way of bringing everything that we have now together. Who says God didn't choose which genes would be passed on and which would be left behind for the safety of our(and other) species. Please, someone tell me why we can't combine the two(Beside the fact that there are a lot of religion)

@Jonathan....Who has proven that Jesus actually walked the earth, and what was the proof?

People who are saying there's no evidence, what is the bible? So I can just say I don't believe in Abraham Lincoln because I have never seen him? Jesus
is real! We have 4 disciples writing about him and all his miracles! Just look at the dead sea scrolls! It lines up word for word with the bible in Hebrew, there is more than enough evidence to prove that Jesus is real and when judgement day comes be ready!

I've been a Christian almost 6 years - saved by faith - without doubt I'm a better person than before. Let's say there is nothing after death - we'll be none the wiser- but if there is eternal life either in heaven or hell then many many people will perish - Hebrews 9 says that we die once and then face judgment. Praying for non-believers and shining Jesus in our lives is better use of energy than trying to convince people of things that are only proven true by faith.

Christianity is a faith that is in stone unchangeable....God sent his only begot SON(jesus) to die on the cross and yet were here discussing jesus realness...REALLY....last time I check Everybody has breath coming out of them---who gave it to you???? some of you all have a nice house and family-----who gave them to you???? for God sad in Matthew 7:13 "For the gates to hell is wide and broad that lead to destruction, and many go through it; for the gates of heaven are narrow and and difficult and few find it... 2Timothy 2:15 study to show yourself approved to GOD,a worker who doesnt need to be ashamed,correctly teaching the word of truth

well let's look at it this way, the bible was written from about 2000BC to maybe 200AD idk, Newtonian physics didn't exist until the 1500s maybe? And Modern Physics is a brand new science developed in the early 20th century. The bible is not suppose to be taken into factual content because we have much more factual content today then what we did 3000+ years ago. We just do now because that is the way our society and logic can now work. The way I see it is that evolution did exist, NOT AT RANDOM. Because according to David Hume, probability is the measurement of human ignorance. There are so many equations that determine even the physics of an atomic structure that we humans are most likely never to calculate, that we just call it "probability". What defines a miracle is the extreme improbability of something happening. And God developed the universe from the very beginning (yes 13.7 billion years ago) that the miracles in the bible were suppose to happen in that time in place WITHOUT breaking physical law.

I do believe this is quite interesting, but people who are truly against the LORD God will not believe even though the evidence is staring them in the face. People who want to know God will be open-minded, but those who hate God will shut their hearts of stone, like, for example, this very second when you are reading this. However, depending on your views, it is profitable to "train" Christians to "prove" Christianity even though that is not the Christians job and very few people accept Christ because it is "proven" to them. It is this simple: believe in the LORD God and live, or deny Him and have your wretched soul perish in everlasting damnation ... The whole point of this universe guys! Can't you see? The LORD God has created you for His glory, to choose Him or not, and all else simply leads to that, for good or ill. It is the highest theology and philosophy, believe it ... or not ... live with your Creator who seeks to restore you from the destructive forces destroying you and bring you to Him ... or perish, it is really that simple since the entire point of the universe is for Him, to seek and gather those profitable, and to destroy those who aren't ... Amen

For you guys who are evolutionists, the entire thing is a completely foolish fabrication of the unbeliever. There is no way that the Creator did not design us, the chance for evolution to just randomly create us is completely impossible. In today's terms, to be "smart" is formulating different ways to deny God, and in so doing, have become dumb. Another example of you either believing the Truth or denying it.